tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post8585235675766988447..comments2023-10-20T11:17:47.246-04:00Comments on Two Nerdy History Girls: When Too Much is Not Enough: A French Lady's Accessories, c. 1770Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-21491747445583098902015-08-16T17:52:43.886-04:002015-08-16T17:52:43.886-04:00Mrs. T - Why don't you email a copy of the ima...Mrs. T - Why don't you email a copy of the image directly to the Bowes and ask them? They should be able to recognize it. I wrote this post a while ago, so I don't recall exactly where I came across the image, but I'm guessing it was probably the Bowes site. But you know how museum search engines can be - you see something once, and then it vanishes forever (the V&A site is the best/worst example of this.) Sorry I can't be more help, but good luck - and many thanks for your kind words for the blog. :)Isabella Bradford/Susan Holloway Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00997375216314200469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-44066369058597492982015-08-16T17:11:05.346-04:002015-08-16T17:11:05.346-04:00I'd like to find the painting at the head of t...I'd like to find the painting at the head of this blogpost on the Bowes Museum website to request permission to use it to illustrate an article I am writing for the Proceedings of the 2015 Association for Living History Farms and Museums conference. I've tried the Bowes website search feature but I'm not having any luck. Not having the artist's name is a problem! Suggestions? Thank you (love your blog! I'm a regular reader!)MrsThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00108187941321390335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-20478666075108290222014-11-23T00:05:48.904-05:002014-11-23T00:05:48.904-05:00Susan,
I would like to make a comment on the "...Susan,<br />I would like to make a comment on the "portrait of two French ladies", if I may. The first impression I got was that these two "ladies" appear to be mother and daughter. Considering the shorter life span of that era and the age at which women could marry and bear children, it would Be reasonable to imagine a mother of around 27 years of age posing for a portrait with her daughter of around 12. I've read that it was common for female children to start being laced into stays at the tender age of two years old!<br />It seems to me that the taller lady is holding her arm around the smaller "lady" in a protective fashion. Close examination of their faces reveals striking similarities, and the smaller chin of the "daughter" indicates that she is not yet an adult. Is it possible that 18th century mothers occasionally dressed up their daughters to look like miniatures of themselves?Teresa Ramonanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-44690642542904569012011-09-07T19:45:48.143-04:002011-09-07T19:45:48.143-04:00@Anonymous1: There's an idea for a historical ...@Anonymous1: There's an idea for a historical thriller!<br /><br />What I like in this portrait is the reminder that, then as now, friends reinforce each other by choosing very similar styles and adornments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-18002237093359553332011-09-07T09:47:14.528-04:002011-09-07T09:47:14.528-04:00Beautiful yet these gorgeous dresses and adornment...Beautiful yet these gorgeous dresses and adornments must have been so very warm! Thanks for brightening my day as usual :)Jenny Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04077659644092707107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-45607344630460495432011-09-06T15:48:58.479-04:002011-09-06T15:48:58.479-04:00Hmmm. Now if you dip the point of one of those pin...Hmmm. Now if you dip the point of one of those pins in poison, what are the odds of killing your victim?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-80039628645875766432011-09-06T12:06:53.961-04:002011-09-06T12:06:53.961-04:00One other thought- the ladies in the Old Order Am...One other thought- the ladies in the Old Order Amish Community in my area (Western New York and North Western PA.) still 'pin' themselves together- using only straight pins to close dresses- down the front- and skirts- at the waist. No buttons or hooks used in some of these orders. The little girls do use a one piece dress and they are buttoned up the back.<br />Other progressive orders in the area will use hook and eye and/or buttons for closures on women's clothing.Heathernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-70109259879919791302011-09-06T11:11:49.085-04:002011-09-06T11:11:49.085-04:00I was really influenced by the accessories exhibit...I was really influenced by the accessories exhibit there, and gathered enough photos to help me with accessorize my gowns from the 1770s up to the 1830s. So many accessories, and so little money.:(<br />ValTime Traveling in Costumehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02353351035426201805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-38596107649416225052011-09-06T11:10:43.287-04:002011-09-06T11:10:43.287-04:00The 18th century term for what we know as a chatel...The 18th century term for what we know as a chatelaine is "equipage". Chatelaine was used after 1828. [source Antique Needlework Tools and Embroideries, Nerylla Taunton--a lovely book, if you are interested in needlework accessories.]<br />Love these ladies! They have a Russian look to me (and there was, of course, a strong French/Russian fashion connection.) Russian and Spanish portraits generally show a lot more bling than the average English portrait. Nothing succeeds like excess!Chris Woodyardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-44112801154999401232011-09-06T09:56:16.741-04:002011-09-06T09:56:16.741-04:00My understanding is that chatelaine is a 19th cent...My understanding is that chatelaine is a 19th century term, so it's interesting that the V&A is using it to describe 18th century watches on chains. I know that this is an issue that comes up in the reenactor community, so maybe someone with more knowledge than me can pipe up.Allisonhttp://hammondharwoodhouse.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-19810045135099288072011-09-06T09:46:25.845-04:002011-09-06T09:46:25.845-04:00This is great and interesting information! Thanks...This is great and interesting information! Thanks for posting :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11657583544798915346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-14176821822506362372011-09-06T08:38:18.181-04:002011-09-06T08:38:18.181-04:00Pins were a necessity and were worked with on an e...Pins were a necessity and were worked with on an every day basis, so our ladies would have known how to put them in and wear them without pricking themselves or others- it can be done- as an F and I re-enactor, I've done it, though not as much bling, that's for sure! We've also sewn ourselves into an outfit- such as a close fitting bodice over a set of 'jumps' or corset- much easier to handle-stays in and pins aren't on the front to prick anyone. Lace on the arms could have been sewn in for the day and then pulled out when finished- just as we cut and pull the thread out of the bodice at the end of the day- and let's face it- dressed like this, these ladies aren't makin' dinner for the family or washing the clothes! I'm sure their movements were limited to needlework or reading the latest novel!Heathernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-5685190761936213472011-09-06T08:33:48.830-04:002011-09-06T08:33:48.830-04:00Anonymous, from my reenacting, we baste or tack su...Anonymous, from my reenacting, we baste or tack such things onto our gowns, so that we don't prick ourselves. The only thing that is pinned with straight pins is the actual garment itself, to the stays.<br /><br />Whether this is true or not back then, I do not know ... I've never seen a portrait showing pins. Artist omission? Possibly. Or maybe they really did tack/baste these things onto their clothes.Kristinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11736341027717526617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-71363676436127070052011-09-06T06:55:25.195-04:002011-09-06T06:55:25.195-04:00So if the lace elbow ruffles and bows were pinned ...So if the lace elbow ruffles and bows were pinned on, those would be straight pins that they'd be using, right? How did people keep from constantly pricking themselves (or others)from all the pins hidden in their clothing and accessories which were holding them together?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-7306245675515181202011-09-06T04:41:17.000-04:002011-09-06T04:41:17.000-04:00So how do we say BLING in French? heheheSo how do we say BLING in French? heheheMrsC (Maryanne)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14440723067459232998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-33944489144160691482011-09-06T02:57:21.787-04:002011-09-06T02:57:21.787-04:00Nobody could put on all these foundation garments,...Nobody could put on all these foundation garments, clothes, overgarments, head gear and jewellery items themselves. It must have taken a team every morning, just to leave the bedroom.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.com