tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post2690748261112982957..comments2023-10-20T11:17:47.246-04:00Comments on Two Nerdy History Girls: What is a Joliffe-shallow?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-17802142059772209052018-01-20T23:18:13.533-05:002018-01-20T23:18:13.533-05:00The only other place I've read of 'bosom-b...The only other place I've read of 'bosom-bow' was Anne of Green Gables, used to describe a very close girl friend Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09578213966218836953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-5291809022867429812018-01-20T23:15:51.455-05:002018-01-20T23:15:51.455-05:00Just read the Georgette Heyer quote about the Joli...Just read the Georgette Heyer quote about the Joliffe-Shallow and was delighted to find your research! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09578213966218836953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-18861224383430461092014-07-11T18:58:26.746-04:002014-07-11T18:58:26.746-04:00Love your article and Georgette Heyer, I was just ...Love your article and Georgette Heyer, I was just on another historian's site and she also credited Egan as one of Heyer's slang sources. That researcher also points out that because Mrs. Heyer was being copied by other authors she began to intentionally misuse or make-up slang.<br />I'm not sure if this what happened in this instance or if it' just a possibility.Vickie Drainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-22144765761656089512013-10-25T09:43:57.155-04:002013-10-25T09:43:57.155-04:00Your article reminds me how much fun research is. ...Your article reminds me how much fun research is. It's so interesting to learn things like this! Elizabeth Varadan, Authorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01708206753256682635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-5271809434374228632013-10-24T20:56:26.427-04:002013-10-24T20:56:26.427-04:00Jasmin, thanks for mentioning Pierce Egan. Someho...Jasmin, thanks for mentioning Pierce Egan. Somehow I overlooked that in my search. He's a terrific source of early 19th century slang, and I know Georgette used him. From all I've ever read, she was a formidable researcher. I've heard rumors of her making up slang, and certainly this is possible. For instance, I've never been able to pin down "bosom bow"--though it's supposedly a term she used. But generally, the slang I've encountered in her books comes from early 19th C books, like Egan's and others. Lady Wesley, I believe the Joliffe, like the Wellington and Cumberland, etc., is named after a person. The surname comes up frequently in a search.LorettaChasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03641586650738945106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-82318385693319590482013-10-24T14:44:11.710-04:002013-10-24T14:44:11.710-04:00I'm reading an old Charlotte Louise Dolan Rege...I'm reading an old Charlotte Louise Dolan Regency right now, and the heroine is named Verity Joliffe. I've never run across that surname before, but perhaps the hat was named after a man? Like Earl Grey tea. (Or perhaps Dolan named her heroine after the hat. Who knows?)Lady Wesleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17671083642410035002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-71538125328458068752013-10-24T14:08:21.254-04:002013-10-24T14:08:21.254-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lady Wesleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17671083642410035002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-9843057240386314522013-10-24T12:27:54.756-04:002013-10-24T12:27:54.756-04:00In Pierce Egan's "Real life in London&quo...In Pierce Egan's "Real life in London" of 1821,he refers to a "Jolliffe-Shallow".I suggest that Heyer probably stole the Expression from that work and that Egan had originally created the Expression.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09603268280031330965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-19552326069510806632013-10-24T12:01:53.942-04:002013-10-24T12:01:53.942-04:00I adore Georgette Heyer, and recommend the recent ...I adore Georgette Heyer, and recommend the recent biography of her by Jennifer Kloester. I don't think I've read anything about her making up slang. She was very fussy about that.Elena Yatzeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06015548238979618153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-16813121838074090672013-10-24T10:38:51.705-04:002013-10-24T10:38:51.705-04:00The Lloyd's commentary is hilarious and spot o...The Lloyd's commentary is hilarious and spot on!Helennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-38100109383572324622013-10-24T08:49:24.791-04:002013-10-24T08:49:24.791-04:00Most likely this is a Georgette Heyer invention. W...Most likely this is a Georgette Heyer invention. Whilst must of her research was spot-on, she was also famous (or infamous) for creating her own version of late Georgian slang. Her language often owes much more to the "bright young things" of the 1920s than anything that fell from the Prince Regent's lips. It's of no consequence in the novels, for they are fiction, but it is unfortunate that so many uninformed American readers accept the books in their entirety without question. Georgette Heyer was an early twentieth century author writing historically based novels. She was most definitely NOT the second coming of Jane Austen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-79278114106974569942013-10-24T08:08:08.540-04:002013-10-24T08:08:08.540-04:00I read just recently that Georgette was REALLY int...I read just recently that Georgette was REALLY into research and bought tons of old books. I'm betting that it really existed somewhere, but just isn't well-documented. Perhaps a short trend?Fionahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04175988518794409281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-73801424248064584252013-10-24T07:08:35.065-04:002013-10-24T07:08:35.065-04:00My Austen reading group just intorduced me to Geor...My Austen reading group just intorduced me to Georgette Heyer!Martihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08503575115890484788noreply@blogger.com