tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post4779732277578175608..comments2023-10-20T11:17:47.246-04:00Comments on Two Nerdy History Girls: Department of Manly Beauty: 1st Earl GranvilleUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-44254336869246174702011-02-06T16:47:28.940-05:002011-02-06T16:47:28.940-05:00I realise that this a very old entry, but in case ...I realise that this a very old entry, but in case anyone else stumbles upon it...<br />There is actually a Harlequin Masquerade novel by Paula Marshall (herself a historian) called An Unexpected Passion, which tells the story of the courtship of Harriet Cavendish and Granville Leveson-Gower. It's a darling story, which does not gloss over the intricacies (it's very blunt in a non explicit way about the rampant infidelity and illegitimate children) and inspired me to track down some of the sources cited in the back by the author. At least according to their private letters, although it did not begin as a love story, it became one, and they remained entirely faithful and devoted till they were separated by Granville's death.FDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01485030894416936129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-9621935182823316022009-09-13T17:00:49.390-04:002009-09-13T17:00:49.390-04:00Monica, you put it so well!Monica, you put it so well!Loretta Chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170060214285828433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-17054972470930890342009-09-13T16:33:51.302-04:002009-09-13T16:33:51.302-04:00And that's the bear about research isn't i...And that's the bear about research isn't it. We can get so wrapped up in it, that we can wind up finding ourselves with our backs to the deadline wall as the commander of the Foreign Legion unit facing us, offers us a last cigarette and blindfold. LOLMonica Burnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13801472688555176112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-30795534036751291722009-09-13T16:14:39.419-04:002009-09-13T16:14:39.419-04:00Monica, I had to laugh. I thought it was very rom...Monica, I had to laugh. I thought it was very romantic--that she wasn't beautiful, that he was forced to pursue her, that she stole him from his mistress, her aunt--and got the kids, too! But we're all bound to read between the lines differently. I'm dying to get my hands on the correspondence--there's tons of it, apparently--but then I'd never get any books written!Loretta Chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170060214285828433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-89649744850701579632009-09-13T15:10:47.178-04:002009-09-13T15:10:47.178-04:00Monica & Ingrid, I found a gossipy version of ...<i>Monica & Ingrid, I found a gossipy version of the story of Harry-o and GLG here<br />http://georgianaduchessofdevonshire.blogspot.com/2009/02/devonshire-progeny-harryo.html</i><br /><br />Well, shoot. That reads as dry an affair as anything. I was really hoping for a love match there, *sigh* I'll just have to remember Charles Fox and his mistress. *grin**sigh*Monica Burnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13801472688555176112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-22611378020764623152009-09-13T13:45:31.757-04:002009-09-13T13:45:31.757-04:00Loretta, I agree with you that the picture looks l...Loretta, I agree with you that the picture looks like a Lawrence. His Wikipedia entry shows a portrait dated ca. 1800 of Sir Alexander Mackenzie. He too has a tiny head and wears a huge coat. GLG would have his 27th birthday in 1800. That would fit with the face in his portrait. Maybe huge coats were fashionable round 1800. Sir Alexander does not have a short neck either, but his is not quite so long.<br /><br />Lawrence was of course a very well-paid painter, but he's not on my list. A friend and I play this game of which portrait painter would you like to have your portrait painted by. Obviously the painter must flatter you outrageously while still making the painting look like you. Usually the number one on my list is Elisabeth Vigée-Lebrun, because every woman she painted looks very pretty and around twenty years old. Oh, and wears gorgeous clothes, of course.<br /><br />Thanks for the link to the Devonshire blog. it looks very pretty and has lots of interesting portraits. I will have to explore!Ingridnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-65412601567667708052009-09-13T12:56:08.179-04:002009-09-13T12:56:08.179-04:00Ingrid & Susan, I was compelled to seek furthe...Ingrid & Susan, I was compelled to seek further. I found this at the National Portrait Gallery<br />http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/largerimage.php?search=ss&firstRun=true&role=sit&sText=Earl+Granville&LinkID=mp01876&rNo=2<br />I also checked out some of Thomas Lawrence's portraits, and he does the same thing, especially with portraits of men in the 1820s-1830s. The long neck, as Susan, said, seems to be a matter of style--conforming to fashions of the day. What I saw in a quick scan of Lawrence's work made me wonder if this is a Lawrence painting??? If so, it's weird that it's not credited--or so far seems not to be.Loretta Chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170060214285828433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-52931966349016618732009-09-13T12:43:14.625-04:002009-09-13T12:43:14.625-04:00Ingrid, now that you mention it, he does seem to h...Ingrid, now that you mention it, he does seem to have an unnaturally long neck, something I hadn't noticed before! I don't think it's an inept painter -- even in this black-and-white reproduction, it looks as if it could have been done by one of the more skilled portraitists of the time. <br /><br /> I'm guessing the long neck was exaggerated to be flattering, to conform to the fashions of the day. Those big wrapped neckcloths were supposed to be elegant, so I'd say a long neck must have been desired, too. As Loretta says, every generation has its own interpretation of manly (and womanly!) beauty -- the very chiseled faces and lean bodies with extreme muscular definition that are desired today would have horrified Society at the time this portrait was done. So I think we have to go by his wife's interpretation that he was totally hot, and leave it at that.<br /><br />As for the romantically darkling sky -- looks like a Weather Channel Event waiting to happen. *g*Isabella Bradford/Susan Holloway Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00997375216314200469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-76085421884880709372009-09-13T12:24:34.313-04:002009-09-13T12:24:34.313-04:00Monica & Ingrid, I found a gossipy version of ...Monica & Ingrid, I found a gossipy version of the story of Harry-o and GLG here<br />http://georgianaduchessofdevonshire.blogspot.com/2009/02/devonshire-progeny-harryo.html<br />Vanessa & Susan, I've seen those apocalyptic clouds in other paintings. I'll have to bow to the art history majors on the symbolism, if any. It may have some romantic connotation. Based on limited personal experience, I will say it's a typical English sky, and even more typical Scottish one. Ingrid, as to the proportions of the portrait, again, I have to bow to art history experts. I don't know whether it's a style of portraiture, or a version of manly beauty of the time. As Susan will confirm, earlier ages' ideas of what was handsome were quite different from ours. One thing I read was that small hands and feet were prized in men. I used this portrait because it was the only one I've ever found, of a man who was judged "the handsomest man in England." I will try to track it down, to find out if it was a professional portrait or an informal one.Loretta Chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170060214285828433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-44543742920091787032009-09-13T11:58:57.199-04:002009-09-13T11:58:57.199-04:00I've been thinking about this for a while, but...I've been thinking about this for a while, but marrying your aunt's lover does not seem romantic to me. To me it's a bit icky.<br /><br />The man in the black-and white picture seems to have a very small head in relation to his shoulders. At first I thought that he might be wearing one of those many-caped greatcoats, but then his shoulders would rise as well as broaden. And he has very long neck, a bit too long maybe, so it cannot be capes.<br /><br />Which just proves that going to a cheap portrait painter is a false economy!Ingridnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-41435590110824555062009-09-13T08:54:33.985-04:002009-09-13T08:54:33.985-04:00The family figures really pop out of the bleak bac...The family figures really pop out of the bleak background, don't they? Aside from the apocalyptic cloud front, it's a lovely picture. <br /><br />Maybe the artist was making a comment on the English weather!Vanessa Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14571549124283013391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-79707857994662914582009-09-12T20:30:29.069-04:002009-09-12T20:30:29.069-04:00Oh, we do love a lovely-looking man, Loretta. I c...Oh, we do love a lovely-looking man, Loretta. I can see why you gazed worshipfully at him. <br /><br />I esp. like seeing the family picture. Even if he's doing the 'pater familias' thing and not actually interacting with the children, it's a wonderful scene. Though a very strange, bleak landscape behind them that seems at odds with the dancing children. Any info on where that might be? Dunrobin?Isabella Bradford/Susan Holloway Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00997375216314200469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-85760407560578704972009-09-12T19:26:38.377-04:002009-09-12T19:26:38.377-04:00Whew! I love HEAs and it sounds like the Granville...Whew! I love HEAs and it sounds like the Granville marriage was one. WOOT! And I'm now going back to reread LOS as soon as I get my copyedits done and the last 75 pages of my WIP done. Just a couple of weeks. Dain is incentive to make me work harder and faster. grin*Monica Burnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13801472688555176112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-49810585915370961002009-09-12T18:43:45.853-04:002009-09-12T18:43:45.853-04:00Monica, I mention it in the second half of the boo...Monica, I mention it in the second half of the book, when Dain has to deal with his illegitimate son. The children were born before the marriage (the two older boys in the picture). I don't have details immediately at hand, but I don't recall reading anything indicating that the affair continued after his marriage.Loretta Chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170060214285828433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5022318990784415929.post-31797163647804558262009-09-12T17:40:18.482-04:002009-09-12T17:40:18.482-04:00Ok, LOS is on my keeper shelf, but I totally don&#...Ok, LOS is on my keeper shelf, but I totally don't remember the Granville mention.<br /><br />Have to know, was Lady Bessborough before or AFTER he was married to Harriet. Please tell me before I love happy endings, but if he cheated on her, I'm gonna have to hang my head in despair that she continued to love him. *sigh*Monica Burnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13801472688555176112noreply@blogger.com